Five years ago, Katy Schnitzler joined us to talk about childlessness in the workplace. She's back, fresh from submitting her PhD, and this time we're talking about holidays and who gets priority at work.

If you've ever sat through a meeting that turned into a half-term logistics chat you weren't part of, covered someone's shift "because you don't have anywhere to be," or just felt the particular loneliness of a school-holiday office or business networks going quiet around you, this one's for you. And if you love or work alongside someone who's involuntarily childless, it's for you too. It can be the start of conversations around fairness and better workspaces, whether employed or self-employed.

In this episode we were joined by Katy Schnitzler who is a trainer, researcher and lecturer, studying for a PhD. She’s doing amazing work as the founder of MIST (Miscarriage & Infertility Support Training) providing workshops and information for businesses who want to support employees who are struggling with miscarriage, infertility and childlessness, and give them advice on creating a balanced workplace.